If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. Then quit. There's no  point in being a damn fool  about it. -- W.C. Fields
I
  had to laugh a bit when I first heard  this quote. Thinking back on 
all  the hundreds of  treatments I have  tried and often continuously  
repeated despite their  ineffectiveness  (and, at times,  
counter-effectiveness), I sometimes have  to wonder  about myself.  What
  was I thinking?
But there is such a  desperation and 
 overwhelming desire to get well  that one will often  try anything (and
  keep at anything) in the undying hope of it suddenly  working.
After
  I became bedbound,  I received a variety of  nutritional IV's at home 
 twice weekly (sometimes  daily) for about 4  years.... despite the fact
  that they often made  me feel worse.  My  doctor at the time (she is 
no  longer my doctor) told me that the ill  effects were a result of  
detoxification, and that I had to suffer  through it in order to get  
well.    The biggest mistake patients made,  she told me, was giving up 
 too early.  I wanted to believe her so badly  that I continued with  
the  treatments for years, hoping that, contrary  to the evidence and my
 own  intuition, I was doing something which  ultimately would  benefit 
me.   In truth, I was also a bit limited in my  choice of doctors. I 
could  find no other MD at the time to come to  my house to see me and 
thus  felt I had little alternative but to listen  to this doctor's 
orders.
In  the end, it turned out I should have  
listened to my intuition.  My  reaction to  the IV's was not detox; it  
was my body's inability to  tolerate the  treatments.  After watching a lecture by  Dr. Paul Cheney,
  a renowned ME/CFS expert, I learned that high dose vitamin C and  
glutathione  IVs can actually have a detrimental  physiological effect  
in some patients with ME/CFS.  Not surprised by these  findings, and 
upon  further research, I finally stopped the IVs.
The 
 pathology of  ME/CFS is complicated and every patient reacts 
differently  to different  therapies. I obviously don't want to deter 
anyone who may  be receiving a  similar treatment and responding well to
 it.  I just  wanted to make  the point that I am not one to give up on 
something very  easily.
Though  I'm doubtful to ever go
 down such a road again, I  always  give any  treatment a full-fledged 
try, often for at least a  year or longer.  As  with  anything in life, 
I've consistently wanted to make sure I gave it  my  all.
I've
 received a lot of emails asking me if I've tried a   variety of 
therapies for ME/CFS, and I've therefore decided to do a   quick run 
down  of some of the many things I have indeed attempted in my   hopes 
to get  well. Please note that this is a very incomplete list  and  is 
meant only  as a general summary. I have been sick for over 13   years, 
and to list  all the things I've tried in that time would be too   
enormous a task. So  this is just a little overview. Exciting reading, I
   know, but here goes ...  :)
Prescriptions
A
   growing list of antibiotics  (Erythromycin, Cipro, Zithro, Doxy, IM  
Penicillin, IM Rocephin, etc.),   anti-virals (Acyclovir, Valcyte,  
Valtrex, etc.), anti-fungal (Diflucan),   anti-anxiety/anti-depressants 
 (purely to appease doctors; too many to  name),  anti-malarial 
(Mepron),   anti-coagulant (Heparin), stimulants  (Ritalin, etc.), 
thyroid/hormone  replacement (including  estrogen,  progesterone, 
testosterone and  hydrocortisone), B12 shots  (both hydroxy  and 
methyl), hepapressin,  immune modulators  (Isoprinosine), Florinef,  
immune enhancers  (immunoglobulins) and the like.
Alternative Therapies
Acupuncture,
    massage therapy, shiatsu, jin shin jyutsu, energy healers,    
herbalists/herbs, EAV/Asyra and electro dermal testing, live blood  
analysis,   visualization, cognitive behavioral therapy, stress    
reduction/management, magnetic therapy, affirmations/positive thinking, 
   light GET/yoga and gentle lifting in bed with 1 lb ankle/wrist 
weights   (caused huge setback), hypnotherapy, reflexololgy,  reiki,   
detoxification, meditation, medical  intuition, muscle testing, distance
   healing, prayer, homeopathy, herbs, colonic  (ugh!), 4+ years of IV  
 therapy (including Vitamin C, nutritional IV’s,  amino acids,   
glutathione, H202 and saline), oral chelation and a list of  supplements
   far too numerous to name.
Nutritional  Therapies
As
  noted above, I received a  multitude of  nutritional IV’s twice weekly
  (sometimes daily) over  several years.  Almost all of them made me  
worse. I’ve also tried a  growing list of  nutritional supplements that 
 likely exceeds well over  300 items. These  include but are not limited
  to vitamins, minerals,  enzymes, amino  acids, antioxidants, herbs,  
probiotics, energy/nutritional/green   drinks, Gookinaid, juicing, whey 
 protein, transfer factor, colloidal silver, cell  food, chlorella,  
mitochondrial supplements, mushrooms,  immune  enhancers/modulators, NT 
 factor, adrenal glandulars and the like, NADH, D-Ribose, and so on.
Diets
Elimination
    diet (no gluten, sugar, dairy, wheat, etc), low carb diet, high   
protein  diet, low protein diet, paleo diet, raw food diet,    
vegetarian, vegan, low sulfur, anti-candida, and a highly specific  food
   allergy elimination, etc.
Protocols
There
    are several different ME/CFS and Lyme treatment protocols out there,
   based  on a variety of different theories, or on different aspects of
   this  complicated and multi-systemic disease. Some of the protocols I
   have  attempted include the Yasko protocol, the simplified 
methylation    protocol, the Patricia Kane protocol, the Dr. Zhang 
protocol, Dr.    Gupta's protocol (amygdala retraining), the Myhill 
protocol (less a    sauna), Dr. Martin Pall’s protocol, Cheney’s 
protocol (prior to his    recent change to CSF’s and stem cell 
replacement), KPU protocol, and    several other protocols I’m sure I am
 forgetting.
Regarding the    Marshall Protocol, I had 
the proper testing done and it was determined    (via a conversation 
between my doctor and Dr. Marshall himself) that I    would not be a 
good candidate.
Doctors   I've Seen
As
  for the various types of doctors I've seen over   the years, they  
include about 5 internists, 3 infectious disease MD's,  a  neurologist, a
  rheumatologist, an endocrinologist, 2 dermatologists   (for hair 
loss),  an allergist, several naturopaths, a world renowned   
integrative  medicine MD, 3 acupuncturists, 2 herbalists, 2 
nutritionists,   a  psychotherapist specializing in chronic illness, a 
cognitive   behaviorist, and multiple alternative health practitioners.
Whew!
    So, there you have my partial list. Though few of the treatments 
have    really helped me,  I suddenly feel like I've been very busy all 
these    years. :)
As for my current regimen,  it 
includes a healthy  diet,   meditation, an antiviral, medications to 
help with sleep,  natural thyroid, Equilibrant, Hydroxy B12 shots,  the 
KPU  protocol,  light stretching in bed, and about 20 different 
supplements. I am  also   attempting LDN (low dose Naltrexone) and a 
nutritional immune   modulating powder called Avemar.
Here's
 hoping that new and better  treatments are   around the corner for us 
all.  If nothing else, there's no doubt we will   all still continue to 
try, try again...
 

 
 
Wow, Laurel. I never thought I'd find a person with a list that's longer than mine, but yours is. You say you suddenly feel as if you've been very busy these last few years. I know just what you mean. I like to say that sometimes having CFS can feel like a full-time job. Of course, it's a full-time job that drains us of money as opposed to bringing it in. I have good health insurance, but as I read your list, most of the treatments that I've also tried were not covered by that insurance.
ReplyDeleteBut I continue to try. Right now I'm getting intensive acupuncture treatments (three times a week) and taking Chinese herbs. And, no, my insurance isn't covering it. I can't tell if it's helping but, as with your IV treatment, I keep getting told that the biggest mistake people make is stopping too early. I go back and forth on whether to continue -- as I said -- it feels like a full-time job.
Thanks for this great post!
Funny, I've heard the "feel worse before feeling better" about detoxing from a couple of other sources. In the experience of those sources, it worked out and they really did feel better eventually.
ReplyDeleteI guess the question to ask the person administering treatment is, how can you tell the difference between worse-before-better and plain old worse? And if you can't tell the difference, how long should you wait to feel better before you conclude that it's not working for you?
Toni -- it really is a full time job! Like you, much of the treatments I've tried are not covered by insurance. I've used up all my savings on various remedies through the years. It's really hard to give up on a treatment because I think we have so much hope in it each and every time.
ReplyDeleteCinderkeys -- That is a great question, and I actually asked it of my doctor many, many times over several years. In this particular case, I think the doctor was more interested in my money than on how I was responding to the treatment... but that's a whole other story. :) I do think it's important for patients to ask that question though, and to do as much research on various treatments as they can. Certain tests (like heavy metal testing and other markers) can also help to indicate whether you are detoxing or just not responding well.
Wow! It really looks like you've tried everything! Thanks for taking the time/energy to share.
ReplyDeleteI can't remember if I've commented before, but I just wanted to say hi, and that I've read your whole blog and it was really great for me to hear your story. (Even though it isn't a great story) I've had CFS for about 10 years and I also got it when I was young, 15, and I just turned 26.
I really liked that WC Fields quote too. So funny it hurts.
I kept nodding my head as I read this post (and I hope you don't mind I created a link to this post on my blog). I can't believe that you've tried more protocols and treatments than me and STILL seem to remain hopeful and positive. Due to the cost and my cynism I no longer try much. When people suggest stuff like posible cures to me I nod politely and tune them out...I just try to eat healthy, rest frequently (pace), as well as continuing with a few vitamins/supplements (one's that don't cost too much)
ReplyDeleteComing from a Lyme Disease perspective, I was interested in the antibiotics you tried.
ReplyDeleteErythromycin was one that was not considered effective for Lyme treatment, it did very little for me when GP tried me on it because she felt Clarythromycin which I was on with Amoxycillin was a bit expensive. LLMD said I would need twice the dose of Erythromycin to work and my stomach would not tolerate such a high dose.
Penycillin is also another antibiotic not found very effective on Lyme.
Doxy the gold standard, really did nothing for my arthritis and muscle weakness although when I went back onto Amoxycillin I realised that doxy had helped with other things like bladder weakness, sinus problems, chest tightness air hunger and pain in the gall bladder area.
When GP added clarythromycin into the mix with Amoxycillin the improvements were even more significant including the constant pain in the top of my head which I believe was nerve pain.
I think with Lyme we all have so many symptoms and all react so differently to different antibiotics.
Certainly in my case it was very much trial and error with GP and LLMD guiding.
I was lucky I did not have chronic fatigue in the sense of taking days to get over it, I just had fatigue, arthritis pain and muscle weakness.
One day I hope you find something that helps relieve your symptoms too.
Hugs Joanne
Hi Laurel,
ReplyDeleteI've been following your blog for a while but not managed to comment before. It's a great blog! I'm in a similar situation to you - have severe ME/CFS and am bedbound. I'm in my 30s and been ill since I was 15, and my health gradually worsened over the years, despite so much effort to get well.
Seeing your list here reminds me of all the things i've tried too. I was made much worse by nutritional IVs and antifungal/anti-parasitic drugs. I've also tried many, many other things with no clear benefit. I don't want to be discouraging to anyone out there, but it's kind of a relief to know there are others who have tried so many strategies without great success. . I say this because I got into feeling that I wasn't recovering because maybe I hadn't found the right treatment yet, or perhaps even that there was an implication that I wasn't searching hard enough for the elusive cure. In the end, the quest for answers tied me up in knots emotionally (still does sometimes) and drained me of energy, and a huge amount of money. I'm now at the stage where my options are much limited by being unable to travel to see doctors and therapists, I've pretty much run out of money, and I'm much more cautious because I can't afford to lose any more functioning.
I do still believe that improvement and recovery are possible, but I think it's important to acknowledge that there are no easy answers, and that although each of the treatments you listed might work for some people, there are just as many people who don't have success with any of them.
We need more decent biomedical research into this illness so that one day there will be better medical understanding and safe, effective treatment for us all.
I'm ever hopeful for the ability of my body to heal through self-care, and for new research breakthroughs, but increasingly cautious about the peddlars of some of these treatments and protocols!
Thanks for writing this post. I do hope you start to come out of your recent crash. I'm thinking of you.
Amy
One day, when they've found out what the cause is and have developed some treatment, they will look back at your list and regard it with the same horror that we have about blood letting and cupping. Well, maybe that's a bit extreme, but you know what I'm saying.
ReplyDeleteI'm struck by your determination, not to mention your resilience, courage and sense of humour. Awesome list!
hi, wow.. a lot of treatments! thanks for all your information. it's good to hear your story.
ReplyDeletei've had cfs 15 yrs but not bedridden, able to manage working very part time and raised 2 kids but it's been a struggle all the way. tried many things but not as many as you.
i'm in austalia. recently did test for gut bacteria and had very high chlostridia and low ecoli. treated with antibiotics, probiotics etc. at the time i felt great. slipped back into fatigue but this was the best thing i've tried and am going to repeat. have you tried this?
also dhea, natural thyroid have definitely helped.
for me i think accepting that i have the illness, learning to manage it, having supportive family & friends, not worrying about what other people think and staying positive (not always easy) is important.
best wishes!
cheryl
just watched your testimony on you tube. it's beautifully done and very touching! i can imagine what you're going through cause i feel like you some of the time but i can't imagine being house bound all the time. i'm so sorry that you're so unwell. great to hear you have a lovely partner to understand.
ReplyDeleteThanks, everyone. I don't think I even realized how long my list was until I started writing it out! And the sad thing is, there are at least 200 more things (in terms of supplements) I could add. :) It is good to know I'm not the only one, though sad to know it as well. It's really unfortunate how few effective treatments are out there.
ReplyDeleteJoanne, the Erythromycin wasn't actually for Lyme. They gave me that when I first got mono because I had a really bad cough and they thought I might also have bronchitis (I didn't). I ended up having an allergic reaction to it and had to go to the ER. Good times. :) I was on Doxy for a year or more for the Lyme (as well as Zithro and the IM Rocephin/Penicillin and Dr. Zhang protocol). The Doxy often made me vomit but I kept taking it anyway b/c I wanted so badly for it to work. Again, what was I thinking? ;)
Cheryl, I had that same gut bacteria test done and was on Cipro and a probiotic (VSL; Dr. DeMeirleir's Protocol) for a year as well. Regretfully, I did not see any changes from it.
Jo -- you are probably right about looking back on all those treatments in disbelief once the cause and targeted treatment is found! Thanks for your kind words.
Amy, Alison and UpNorth... thanks for all the thoughtful comments. It's so nice to hear from new people! And Cheryl, thanks for the comment on my video. :)
I should add that even though my list of attempted treatments were not effective for me, that doesn't mean they won't be effective for someone else. As I said in my post, everyone is different. I don't want to discourage anyone! :-)
ReplyDeleteThis is amazing...you have really spent an enormous amount of time and money on treatments. You have a lot of determination and courage. I have to tell you I laughed and laughed at your W.C. Fields quote! It was just the right "medicine" for me last night.
ReplyDeleteGod bless.
I agree with everyone. It is amazing all that you have tried and you still haven't lost hope! Wow! That is determination!
ReplyDeleteI look forward to the day when they finally figure out exactly what it is that is making us sick...and how to right it!
That will be a good day...no...a great day!
Hi Laurel,
ReplyDeletegreat post. I had intended to write one like this myself as so many people keep writing me about protocols I should try. I've "only" been ill for 2,5 years but have tried so much already. When I am out of my current crash I will list all the things I've tried so far, too.
Seeing them listed probably will make me say the same: What was I thinking?
But doing something, trying anything, is so much easier than doing nothing, isn't it?
All the best to you Laurel, will reply to your FB message as soon as I can!
Big hugs
Nina
Thanks Renee, Dominique and Nina. It will be a GLORIOUS day when they figure out the cause and cure for this!!
ReplyDeleteNina -- no worries on responding. Just rest! Hope you are feeling better.
You know, Laurel, if anyone--like a doctor--ever states or implies that you haven't tried hard enough to get better, that you've given up, just show them this list of treatments. It's pretty amazing.
ReplyDeleteYou're a survivor, girl! I think the answers are going to start coming more quickly now that we have a privately-funded ME center (the WPI).
Laurel! What a miserable battle. Mine seems like it is going nowhere too (98% housebound...) but that ME/CFS is not cutting you any breaks.
ReplyDeleteI hope that something works soon. I keep wondering what my limit will be, but I think I get braver every time I hit one. You are in my thoughts in the hopes they find something that can help.
Also I am totally adding you to my blog list.
Annie
Thanks, Rebecca! You are a survivor as well! I think the answers are finally going to start arriving soon, too.
ReplyDeleteAnnie, sorry to hear you are in a similar boat. As Rebecca said, with a new research center geared towards ME/CFS research (the WPI), I think there is a lot of reason to hope right now. Thanks for adding me to your blog roll!
Interesting. When I first came down with the virus that triggered my CFS, I was given erythromycin...and guess what?????????
ReplyDeleteI had an allergic reaction to it, too.
I wonder what that is all about.
That is VERY interesting!! Did you get a full body rash?
ReplyDeleteActually, your comment made me curious, and upon some research, it turns out that (from Wikipedia) "...studies indicate that approximately 80-90% of patients with acute Epstein Barr virus infection treated with such antibiotics [including
Erythromycin] develop a, red, diffuse rash." I never knew that! I wonder if my doctor was aware of that at the time, and if so, why she put me on antibiotics knowing I had mono. :)
Laurel- I have just read your first ever blog post. It made me very sad for you and, quite honsetly, scared for me.
ReplyDeleteAs someone who is new to this, I have enough questions to fill dozens of comments pages but will restrain myself to just one: You say in your post "anti-anxiety/anti-depressants (purely to appease doctors; too many to name." Does this mean that you would advise me against taking any form of anti-depressant as treatment for ME/CFS? My doctor suggested to me on Friday that I may have ME/CFS and gave me enough sleeping tablets for two weeks and said that when I have my next appointment - in two weeks - we would discuss the possibility of taking anti-depressants as the first line of treatment. I feel neither stressed nor depressed, but pissed off that I haven't got the energy to do things that I could do four weeks ago with no problems. Help!
Hi, Chris. Thanks for visiting my blog! I'm sorry to hear you have just been diagnosed. Please don't let my story scare you! :) I am on the extreme end of the spectrum, and the majority of those with this illness are not as debilitated as I am. Also, much more is understood about the illness now than 13 years ago when I first got sick. My best advice to you would be to simply listen to your body and don't push yourself to the extreme like I did.
ReplyDeleteThere are a lot of helpful sites out there that could help you best determine what avenue for treatment you may want to explore along with your doctor. There are a lot of support groups as well where you can interact with people who can relate and offer advice. One such site is the Phoenix Rising Forums, which you can find at:
http://forums.aboutmecfs.org/forum.php
Regarding anti-anxiety and antidepressants -- I would not necessarily advise against trying them. In fact, I still take very low dose Elavil and Klonopin to help with sleep. When I said I took too many of these drugs to name, I meant that doctors uneducated in CFS put me on regular/high doses in the hopes that I was just depressed and not really sick. I took them because I felt like I needed to at the time in order for them to feel satisfied that they could rule out depression as a contributing factor.
Low dose Elavil and Klonopin are often used in CFS to help with the sleep disturbances that can come with the illness, rather than as an antidepressant or anti-anxiety medication.
And of course, some people with CFS do experience secondary depression, as with any other serious, debilitating illness. In those cases, antidepressants could be appropriate.
So, I wouldn't rule it out. I'd look into it and check out what it is your doctor wants you to take and whether it is something you feel comfortable with. I'd also make sure you have a good, CFS-aware MD who can help you find ways to alleviate some of your symptoms.
There's a lot of hope on the horizon, and I really think better treatments are on the way.
Laurel- I've nominated you for a happiness award. More info over at m blog
ReplyDeletehttp://cfs-blog.blogspot.com/2010/03/do-i-get-certificate.html
FGx
Thanks FG! My list would be the basics... fiance, family, friends, a good book, yummy food, clean hair, laughter, etc. I've had to learn to appreciate the small things in my life; though, when you think about it, those are really the big things anyway.
ReplyDeleteI recently heard this quote on the radio:
ReplyDeleteSuccess is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm. -- Winston Churchill
Kind of reminded me of this post/thread topic :)
Great quote!! Thanks for sharing it, and for your kind comments to my interview as well.
ReplyDeleteYou have been one busy lady. I think that even beats the long list I've gone through in 23 years, although I've gotten benefits from about 1/2 of the things I've tried. Still, all it takes is adrenaline to relapse, sigh.
ReplyDeleteI do believe something else will come. Maybe stem cells. Let's hope you're out of bed in a few years. In the meantime, I enjoyed the pictures of life outside your bedroom window.
Laurel, I'm a healer based in the UK who has CFS (but luckily the healing has stopped me from being bed-ridden despite my over-exertion in other areas). Anyway, do you mind if I send you some distant healing for free. I use energy to work directly on causes so I will try to work on the viruses that cause your condition. Even if it does nothing for you, it might be worth me trying to help.
ReplyDeleteDawn x
Sure! Can't hurt. Thank you so much for offering! :-)
ReplyDeleteHi Laurel, I am not a blogger, so I was looking for an email to send to you for encouragement... or at least to say you are not alone. I have been suffering for 12 years now with extreme head pain, chemical and food sensitivities, and no diagnosis (all day every day non stop). Nothing helps, and most everything makes it worse.
ReplyDeletePeople do not understand how this is possible, and then jump to the conclusion it is just psycho. After describing my diet to someone, he told me to go out and get a cheeseburger (more than once). I just started trying Glutatione pushes and ALA IV... the Glut may have helped some things, but not the pain (maybe worse), the ALA made the pain worse. So I am not sure what to do, I too question the detox theory, cause, most often it is a reaction... not like a hangover.
I am in awe really of this website, it seems so well orgainized. Good job. Please continue. I am sure your are appreciative, but please continue to feel blessed to have someone in your life. Here is pretty much on my own. This is huge.
I have had no choice but to work through it cause I have no proof of the disability so there is little chance of ST LT disability (to try would only be stressful to a point of another set back - more pain). I can not longer continue, so now I am about to lose my job. I have spent many 10s of thousands on this with no help. With no spouse, no ST LT disability, no support, I can only see financial ruin ahead. When it comes to losing this house,... I am scared and do not know what to do.
Best wishes to you,
aa, usa
Thanks for visiting my blog and for your comments and compliments, aa. Sounds like you've been through a lot as well. I know how hard it is... please hang in there! Some people do see improvements over time, so there is hope. You are in my thoughts.
ReplyDeleteThank you for your blog and videos I have used both on my website www.findacureclub.weebly.com I hope that is okay? I was just following some of your Blog Links and found some unusual pages. I have some of the same links and from my end they work. From your page CFS Central is not working, along with some others. They end in pages filled with text only without formatting. Sorry to post as a comment .. I just cant find the message me tag. I hope this day is cosy and happy. Warm Thoughts. Lesley aka Sleepy Sunshine X
ReplyDeleteHi Sleepysunshine... it was a temporary Blogger website problem, and therefore nothing I could fix. It appears to be working now.
ReplyDeleteLaurel - what an inspiration you are! Your 2009 video was so moving to me! The loss of your voice sounds similar to what a friend of mine experienced with Cricoarytenoid Arthritis - a form of Rheumatoid Arthritis of the voicebox. She was mute for a long time. Eventually she was diagnosed and was able to regain her voince (most of the time) with the use of Biologic medications (Humera / Enbrel etc.). I hope that one day the doctors can figure out how to improve your life and all those who are afflicted with ME.
ReplyDeleteDear Laurel,
ReplyDeletei came down with CFS/ME after a severe respiratory virus in January 2013. Actually I diagnosed myself very quickly after a month or so but of course had to do all the exclusions from other illnesses in the medical institutions. Finally the Charité in Berlin diagnosed CFS/ME I started reading blogs of people having CFS/ME to see how they deal with this awful illness and what they do hand have done to get better.
You have done pretty much and i think i am on my way to do the same though i have to say that it is not easy in Germany to get any help. The few "experts" here are all working privat and have to be paid by myself.
I read a lot about LDN - Low Dose Naltrexone and consider to try it. I would like to ask you about your experience with LDN. I do not have any pain while resting. My most debilitating symptoms are post exertional malaise and orthostatic intolerance. That`s why I have to lay down so much. Mostly half of a day ore sometimes more.
I read that LDN is effective for pain release especially if you have fibromyalgie. May be you can tell me what LDN has done to you.
I think I will never see the world as I have seen it before. And it frightens me how vulnerable the human body is.
Dear Laural all the best to you and hope - so much hope - from Germany!!!!